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and Predictive Astrology
A mail was recently forwarded to me that was questioning the various stands taken
by Navyasashtra in referrence to the actions taken by families of Sri Amitabh
Bhachan and Miss Aishwarya Roy, and news of a marriage to a Banana Tree based
of Horoscope predictions of Mangalik problems. The main question that was in all
our thoughts was "Is it a correct stand for Navyashastra to give any opinion
about the traditions and customs practised by Hindus in their own family, especially
is it correct for a Hindu organization to oppose a traditional Hindu Religious
practice based on the so-called "Vedic Astrology".
are two ways of looking at it.
As an individual, one may express and will be able express any opinion. But,
in this, a proper opinion should be that we must accept and honor the customs
and traditions of individual and families according their own family traditions
and norms they follow according to their own Hindu Dharma belief system they follow.
So long as such a belief, faith or practice if followed in their family without
affecting the life or honor of another individual or life form and without affecting
another person's personal rights and beliefs, we are open to follow the faith
and traditional practice in any way we feel comfortable. We must honor and accept
all traditions and customs practised based on the teachings of the Hindu religious
texts including the Vedas, Agamas and other such religious books. Hindu Dharma,
is different from Western religious belief systems in that there is no set Dogma
or a directive for every faith and belief and it allows several ways and beliefs
of faith to be practiced - from Vedantha of Gnyanis, Nirguna Brahma worship in
Sathvika Bhakthi of learned ones and Smartha, Saiva and Vaishnava traditions with
worship of various forms of manifestations of the Supreme as Ishta Devatha of
Rajasika Bhakthi to the blind faiths in village Devathas by Tamasika worshippers.
We should honor, accept and allow these variations with equal respect. It is very
important to tolerate and accept the variations in our traditions as Hindus and
allow each one to practice according to one's own spiritual development and belief,
so long as it does not affect others. This is the greatness of Hindu Dharma as
compared to the dogmatic teachings of Western Faiths.
As an organization, school of thinking or as a Religious movement to reform or
reeducate the true forms of Hindu Dharma to gain the greater welfare of the communities
at large we may need to think beyond these individual rights and opinions. We
need to express opinion to correct the wrong traditions and habits as weeds to
be removed for a better yield of the natural faith in the community. Here we need
to analyze what is truly part of the Hindu Dharma and its teachings, including
the Vedas, Agamas and other such religious texts and their proper interpretations.
Then, there are the social and traditional rules and certain customs of society
added later which are bound to change or need to be changed as the customs and
traditions of the society changes according to the time. There are many social
practices and traditions followed by various segments of the Hindu communities
which are not really of a Religious tradition according to the teachings in the
Vedas, Agamas or any true religious texts, but added on leter but conveniently
given a religious name as Vedic Tradition. This is exactly the way Navya Sashtra
is organized and is working for - to uphold the traditions of true Hindu Dharma
as given in the Vedas and Agamas and religious texts and accept only those traditions
and rules of laws as in Shastras which are properly interpreted and followed according
to the time and place of the community, so as to uphold the dignity of the individual
and give equal rights and privileges for all Hindus to follow and practice all
their traditions and teachings.
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this, various rules were introduced by social leaders and kings over the years,
giving preferential treatments for some segments of the society and thus depriving
the other community in their legitimate aspirations to knowledge and benefits
of the practice of Hindu Dharma. This has caused lot of harm to the Dharma itself
rather than the individuals and has given benefits to the spread of alternate
faiths and beliefs. In this, we need to get the proper interpretations of the
teachings of Vedas and Agamas, especially the rules based on in-born abilities,
individual aspirations and birth based rights, working in such a way, as not to
rock the boat that sails but correct the course. This will, in fact, strengthen
the followings of true Hindu Dharma, benfit every one as it will uphold the true
we have a question if the present mind set on reading of horoscopes and predictive
astrology as in Jyothisha as practiced today itself is correct, and if it has
any sanctions in the ancient teachings of Vedas and Agamas. People who believe
in them may still say yes, blindly. One may have to allow them to their belief.
But, if community leaders, role-models and other such leaders say that, swinging
the general opinions on such customs in their favor, it becomes important for
our organizations like Navyashastra, RSS, VHP, LDSFT and such organization should
raise the objections. Many blind rituals and traditions, including prayer services
to village deities, animal sacrifices and such other traditions among the illiterate
villagers and tribal communities could be left alone as Tamasika Bhakthi practices
and try to teach proper Hindu dharma to such villagers to gain true spiritual
realization. But, such strange traditions as practiced by educated and spiritually
realized individuals must be questioned. We need to always analyze what are the
traditions of such practices that affect the society.
such a practice affects the society or other members of the community, then we
need to question them and fight against them. Such is our fight against Sati,
treatment of widows, birth based denial of privileges for training and practice
of the Vedic teachings and rights to perform rituals based on gender and jaathi
need to be corrected. Practices which involve only their family and individual
can be left alone so long as such practices do not harm or insult the communities
or future generations. Certain practices which has come into our society from
outside which is causing a social havoc, and assumes the name of Vedic acceptance
by the orthodox community as part of Hindu tradition must be objected to by all.
One such thing is predictive astrology in the name of Jyothisha based on nine
planets, reading of the individual's future.
we see the Vedas, there is mention of Jyothisha as a Vedanga. But, in a true sense
according to many well versed pandits in Vedas, Jyothisha is a study of Astronomy,
explaining the position of Sun, Moon, and Stars and it is not astrology. Thithis
are the 14 faces of the moon; we calculate years and months by Solar position
or Lunar face or the 27 stars or special stars in Puranas. There has been no special
mention of any PLANETS - nine or twelve nor any mention of the twelve raasis like
Caprocorn or Gemini, or Mithunam, Katakam anywhere. It looks like, the horoscope
reading of the past or the future predictions based on the planets' position at
birth or current has been a long standing custom of the Greeks or Yavanas who
were mentioned in our Puranas as Mlechhas.
even for those who swear by accuracy the predictive Astrology of by such Jyothishis
or astrologers like BV Raman or such predictions told and followed by their own
grandfather, we need to mention that Horoscope reading is from the Greek and are
not Vedic Hindu Dharma. Then, again, with powers of pooja and meditation, a Hindu
may get certain amount of yogic powers of their words in that they can mention
some past and future without any reference to the horoscope of the nine planets
[this is called power of words - the words they mention often materialize and
has nothing to do with the planets in horoscope - I am always afraid of asking
them] - but usually they do not give any Parihara or solution to avoid the effects
- which is a fraud on our intelligence. Then they will say, it depends on Janya
time and not the time of birth. - Who knows that!! If any of us mediate regularly,
we can also make accurate predictions. I know several people who can do that.
This has nothing to do with horoscope, raasi, birth star or mangalik.
read into Aishwarya's horoscope for Mangalik and doing a marriage to a Banana
by an intelligent and educated individual is**……............ Navyashastra took
the right stand of objecting, in a way educating people, criticizing a well known
family of role models performing acts like milechas or Tamasikaas stting up a
wrong precedent for the ignorant and innocent public.
in the past centuries, when child marriage was common, for a 7 year old girl and
a 12 year old boy when people who did not know the compatibility or the future,
people went to this route. In modern times, for bride and groom past the age of
consent that is often past the age of 21 years, they all know about their personal
likes, dislikes and compatibility, the very fact that the boy and girl like each
other shows that there is divine agreement on compatibility. There is no need
for a Horoscope or a soothsayer.
is also a similar craze about the Vasthu Saashtra for house, offices, and buildings;
people are predicting too many things - which is again a Chinese habit that people
are holding on - that is a different topic. Horoscope, Planetary Jyothisha and
Vasthu, though very popular and some are very attached to the beliefs, are not
of Hindu Vedas in origin.
topics on Hindu Dharma, especially about various forms of Bhakthi or devotion
that I have quoted here, please visit my website and see related articles in:
the benefit of people questioning my conclusion, I am including a part of mails
I got from a Kashmiri Pandit - Avtar Krishen Kaul - as it appeared in "Hindu
Civilization"- and in yahoo group mails. There are 62 pages of articles if
any one is interested.
best regards and Namaskaram,
Bala N. Aiyer
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forwarded to me on: 16 Feb 2007
M. Patel" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
you for the directive to press release. I have already read it and read it in
local newspaper publications too. What I am seeking is the premise on which you
base the objections. This will go long way in my effort to support your stand
and explaining to Hindu devotees of Santana Dharma Temple in Southern California,
why they should not get involved in astrological predictions etc. Please do not
dance around this issue. Just simply send me your rational and the premise on
which it is based. It is important to support the rhetoric's with substance. Please
Natu M. Patel,
Redondo Beach. CA 90278
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to my explanation
Natu M. Patel, 20Feb 2007
you very much for he response to my query.
It is important explanation and
as we all struggle for righting the
understanding of Hinduism information like
what you provide is very
useful. I appreciate your time and devotion in helping
me on this matter.
Best Wishes, Always.
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see below: attached excerpts from articles by Pandit Avtar Kishen Kaul.
Article Submitted by jyotirved on Sat, 2006-04-22 12:54. -->
Astrology" - the greatest fraud on the Vedas!
Avtar Krishen Kaul
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Pandits are as addicted to Patri Melapak (Tekini milnavuni) as anybody else! Besides,
there is hardly anyone, even if he does not know ABC of jyotish, who does not
want to know as to when his "badsharwar" (sade-sati) will start or end
etc. etc. I have gone through all those pangs myself and made a thorough study
of all the astrological works besides a lot of astronomical books! I even studied
Western system of astrology and had become a "famous" astrologer, though
my predictions were as correct as anybody else's i.e. hardly 50%. However, this
is a secret that no other "jyotishi" shares with anybody - which his
/her predictions are hardly more correct than fifty per cent, whatever logic or
Ayanamsha he may use! When I analyzed the reasons for such a dismal rate of success/failure,
the conclusions were startling! And I am keeping those very conclusions before
you! I have been asked very often whether I would prefer Western system of predictions
to the Indian system or vice-versa! To arrive at any conclusions about such a
discussion, we have to bear the following facts in our minds:
Whether Indian or Western, no system of predictions has any sanction either from
the Vedas or even Puranas least of all our dharmashastras etc.
All our shastras admonish us from consulting "nakshatra jeevis" so much
so that the Manusmriti calls these nakshatrajeevis as outcastes and not fit to
sit in any sabha of learned people.
The Manusmriti advises that "The king must keep a watch on his kingdom like
a heron and act with prowess like a lion" --- nowhere has he advised to consult
some soothsayer before undertaking any activity!
All the Ramayanas, whether Valmiki or Adhyatma or Ramacharitamanasa etc. etc.
say that before deciding about the coronation of Bhagwan Rama, Dashratha wanted
his guru Vasishtha to find some suitable muhurtas for that function. It was on
the advice of Bhagwan Vasishtha that Dasharatha decided to anoint the Yuvraja
the very next day, as it was "Tishya" then. It is clear that either
Vasishtha Muni did not know as to what was going to happen to Dasharatha by declaring
Bhagwan Rama as crown-prince or he kept quiet deliberately since he did not want
to interfere in the divine dispensation! Obviously, being the son of Brahmaji
and being a highly exalted yogi as well as jnyani, Vasishtha-muni could peep into
past as well as future. It means that even if some exalted souls can foresee as
to what is going to happen, they do not reveal our "bhavishya" before
hand, unlike the breed of astrologers of today, who masquerade as "Paasharas"
and "Vamadevas" to tell us even our past and future janmas just by glancing
at our birth-charts, even if those charts are fundamentally incorrect.
Almost all the jyotishis suggest one or the other remedial measure to their clients,
and mostly these are in the form of various gems. What is surprising is that we
have become so dimwitted that we forget our entire itihasa of our past!
Why was Dasharatha not suggested some "ruby" or "coral" to
ward off the evil Dasha that was going to kill him when Rama would leave for the
forests? Because our Rishis were not greedy to have claimed to cheat deaths by
just making him buy some gems!
Bhagwan Krishna was born in a prison --- I wonder why He could not use some "sapphire"
to take birth in a palace!
Vasudeva and Devaki---the parents of Bhagwan Krishna--- were in chains when He
was born! It is said that Lord Krishna was a complete - 16 kala sampoorna ---
divine incarnation of Vishnu and was thus really Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient!
could loosen the chains of His mother as well as father while taking birth in
a prison! He could make all the guards of Kansa's prison fall asleep while being
taken out of prison by Vasudeva! He demonstrated His Omnipotence by making Yamuna
recede while Vasudeva was carrying Him to Gokul from Mathura! He guided Vasudeva
on his way back from Gokul to Mathura in a dark night full of torrential rains
and storms! The guards remained asleep till Vasudeva entered the prison after
bringing Yogamaya from Mathura with him! It all shows that Krishna was really
Omnipotent! But then the moment Vasudeva was back in prison, his fetters were
again gridlocked automatically! Same was the case with Devaki! Both Devaki and
Vasudeva remained in fetters till Kansa was killed by Krishna! What does it demonstrate?
the fact that if the Omniscient, Omnipresent and Omnipotent Krishna could not
ameliorate the miseries of His own father or mother before the appointed time,
how can a ruby or a sapphire---or some Mangala or Shani yagya--- remove all our
miseries or give us a Union Minister's seat! Obviously, we are being taken for
a ride by such Jyotishis!
not in the distant past, Smt. Indira Gandhi would run after astrologers for knowing
her future. She had a rare and original ekamukhi rudraksha, which only either
the Maharaja of Nepal had or she was wearing! It is said that some top-notch jyotishis
had suggested that rudraksha to her! Ironically, both the King of Nepal as well
Mrs. Indira Gandhi were assassinated "by the people" they "had
trusted" ekamukhi rudraksha not withstanding! What does it prove? That we
should not be hoodwinked by soothsayers! Then again a well known Tantrik of yore---highly
respected by the then PM--- is out on bail, not by dint of his "Tantra-Kriya"
but because of some legal loopholes in FERA! Dhirendra Brahmachari, another high
profile "Tantrik", met with an accident in the plane he was flying himself!
If he could not see his own death looming large how could he forewarn others!
The Gita is said to be the gist of all our shastras. When Arjuna expressed his
doubt about whether Pandavas would win or lose the battle, Bhagwan Krishna neither
asked him to consult some soothsayer nor did He tell him to wear some ruby! On
the other hand, He just advised him to fight and either get killed on the battlefield
and go to heavens or win the battle to be the ruler of the entire earth! What
does that prove? Obviously, it warns us against relying on any soothsayers, especially
if they call themselves "Vedic Jyotishis" since they are taking us for
a ride literally.
Yes, Bhagwan Ram did worship Shiva at the time of going to war at Rameshwaram
but that was not to please Mangal or Shani, but to show respect to the divine
trinity -- Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh---in this case Vishnu worshipping Shiva!
Similarly, at the time of the Mahabharata war Arjuna was asked to worship Maha-Shakti
but not to please Rahu or Ketu but to gain strength from his own ATMA-Shakti,
in the form of Divine Shakti! The Gita is very clear "ye
yatha mam prapadyante tanstathaiva bajameaham" -------- "I
will 'worship' you in whatever way you worship Me".
There is no mention of any Rishi like Vasishtha or Garga or Brighu ever having
written any works of predictive astrology in any of the Puranas. The Vishnu Purana
by Parasharis is full of astronomical references ---and that also sayana i.e.
the seasonal year when Mesha sankranti is another name of Spring Equinox and so
on, but we do not find any mention of any Brihat Parasharis Hora Shastra there!
Obviously, it is the worst concoction that can ever be had, and that is why it
is the bible of "Vedic astrologers".
In India, we have started going downhill ever since our rulers started running
after Jyotishis. In ancient days, during the time of Mahabharata, it was a dharma
yudha that we had to fight against our own Duryodhanas but ever since the advent
of astrology before the invasion of Alexander the Great, and with him the "Yavana
Jatakam" of Sphujidwaja and the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the Yavana (mlechha!),
we had to fight outsiders! The more the outsiders invaded us the more our rulers
started consulting soothsayers whom they called Rajyajyotishis! (In those days
jyotishis did not dare to call themselves Vedic Jyotishis since the general public
then were not that illiterate about the Vedic principles as they are these days,
thanks to Vedic Jyotishis!).
These monarchs wanted to know if at all their horoscopes indicated whether they
would win or lose and for winning the battles, instead of making military preparations
they just started wearing rubies and diamonds to ward off evil spirits!
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the benefit of additional discussion in this matter, I will write about the concept
of the Supreme Paramthma, Avatharas,
the various Devathas and the beliefs in Angels, planets and raasis and their powers
as a seperate article at a later time.
-- Thank you; -- Bala N. Aiyer
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